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Posted by ADM on 25 Jan 2016, 14:31

All those troops are very nicely painted :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: it's always more difficult to take some photos of men on horses than infantry because you can't really take photo very close from the front, so it's all about the angle and how close. But yours are not that bad, maybe not close enough but it probably require an expensive camera with zoom :-D
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Posted by Kekso on 28 Mar 2016, 13:57

Russian Dragoons from Zvezda (Mini sets 6811 and 6817)

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Posted by Peter on 28 Mar 2016, 14:55

They look fantastic Dali! Wonderfull brushwork! :thumbup:
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Posted by vellek on 28 Mar 2016, 16:08

This is a very nice group. Your work on the flag is especially noteworthy, and details on the horses are crisp and clean.
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Posted by Beano Boy on 28 Mar 2016, 17:14

Splendid Painting Dalibor,Yes Indeed Bravo! BB
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Posted by Marvin on 28 Mar 2016, 21:28

Beautifully done! :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Posted by Mr. Andrea on 29 Mar 2016, 16:41

Great work Dali! Wonderful
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Posted by Dad's Army on 29 Mar 2016, 19:35

WOW you have been busy, well done my friend!
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Posted by Kekso on 30 Mar 2016, 08:45

Thank you my friends. Those Zvezda figures are pretty nice and I did some extra efforts on horses highlighting.
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Posted by Cryns on 30 Mar 2016, 13:39

Dear Kekso,

These Russian dragoons are not only very nice sculpted models but you painted them very precise and smooth, showing clearly how much you love these figures. Your painting style reminds me of antique metal toys and models of a much bigger scale, (take this as a compliment) like the old Britains lead figures. Your technique of shading and highlighting is very subtile. This gives a unique result.

As you may expect already, :-) I do have some critical comments too, especially concerning your choice of coat color of several uniforms you show in this thread. Buth euh.... :neutral: do you want to hear this or do you prefer to collect compliments only?
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Posted by Kekso on 30 Mar 2016, 14:48

Hi Mr.Cryns, feel free to make any comment. I'm all but perfect painter. I try to be historically accurate as possible but that isn't always the case and my photos are disaster. So, there is plenty of room to criticize my work... and all of you are welcome to do it ;)
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Posted by Cryns on 30 Mar 2016, 17:44

Kekso wrote:I'm all but perfect painter


I think in a technical way you are a very good painter. Artistically I have some suggestions but historically your use of color is very doubtful for some of the units.

I try to be historically accurate as possible


Since this is your goal, it makes sense to critisese your work.
The colors you use for coats and trousers are MUCH TOO BRIGHT AND LIGHT for several units. This makes your figures look like toys. It is joyful, colorful and beautiful to see these colors. But not very realistic.

I am happy to see so many people like your work, enjoy it and encourage you to go on. But since Benno's forum is for HISTORIC FIGURES in the first place, I actually do not understand why nobody is criticizing your colors. The only critics concern your photographing, which in fact is not the worst at all and has improved a lot recently.

Of course there was and is not just one correct color. Every uniform can have been produced in subtile variations during production. Wheathering, sweating, sunlight and washing bleached the colors during use. That means a very light coat is never unrealistic as long as it is a very pale, or grayish-brownish color. Very bright colors were expensive and impractical. Very dark colors were practical. That is why French and Prussian blue and Russian green was usually very dark.

Lets go to your first unit: The French 'Cheveaux Leger' Lancers. There uniform was dark green, both for coat and trousers. You chose a color that I would call apple or grass green. The historical color should be somewhere between middle green and black or every pale shade looking like olive green because of intensive wearing. It is very easy to find other figures or pictures on the internet showing lancers as bright as these. But remember those are interpretations too. And also these are images of images representing someone's impression of reality. So there can be a lot of deviation from the original.

Some thing to say about the bases: a base should NEVER be more colorful and bright than the figure, since you want your audience to look at the figures, not its base that should not be there at all in the first place but we can't let it stand up without it. This bright light green is terrible. Even fresh young grass is not as bright as this. And which soldier had the privilege to ride or charge on bright green grass? Think about olive green or brownish. Everything like grey or brown will be better than this color. Or decorate your bases with stuff but thats a matter of style and personal taste.

Prussian Uhlans: Prussia used both very dark blue and middle blue for their cavalry units. Looking at some old pictures it may look pretty light blue. But your blue is just too much. This is almost skye blue while it should be middle blue.

Russian Cuirassiers: Very well painted, I have no comment except for the terrible green bases. Close your eyes for a moment to slit-eyes. What do you see: four bright green bases and some grey-white-brown shapes on top of that. But this is mainly a matter of artistic or esthetic color balance.

French Lancers: Again much too bright apple green uniforms. You darkened the bases a bit but it is still much to bright and strong color. What you use is chemical green, it has very little association with natural colors.

Brititsh Heavy Dragoons: Wow, a big, big difference with everything before! This is very good in all perspectives. The choice of red coats, especially the dark shady red tones, and all other colors is good as far as I can judge. But also your painting style is different here: there is more black lining (good!) and more extreme effect of shading and highlighting. This does not make your dragoons as smooth looking as the Russian dragoons. But it does make them look lively and realistic. Again this is an artistic choice which we have to leave up to you.
Also the color of the base is the best you used: olive green or something similar. Remember the color of a base is always a combination of sand, grass, plants, turf and twigs, all put together in just one color: which can be between green and brown indeed.
But also the pictures are very good now. The white background reflects the light also to the back and sides of your figures. That is why I do not prefer a black background when using only one light source.

Russian dragoons: You improved your painting style. It becomes very subtile and precise now. Though it is less lively than the British dragoons.

Just like with the French lancers the green of both coats and saddlecloth is too bright and light, though I see this is not the apple green you used for the French. Russian green may not have been the same as French cavalry green, but it was definitely darker than this bright color.

The black background is a little setback compared to the white: it makes it more difficult for the spectator to see the all over shape of the model, especially where the figure itself is black, unless you use one or two backlights creating rim light. I recommend you to use a middle tone color for the background like grey, brown, greyblue or desert yellow. Also the color of the base is a setback compared to your British dragoons. This is too strong, deep green again. Stay to the olive green.

I hope my load of words helps you in some way or another but I would be happy to read any comments rejecting my vision to this choice of colors.

Let the new Nappies come to the forum!
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Posted by MABO on 30 Mar 2016, 18:15

Hey Mr Cryns,
you must have a lot of time to write such long reviews... :mrgreen:

Your Dragoons are good looking. :yeah:
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Posted by Kostis Ornerakis on 30 Mar 2016, 19:45

Well done Kekso. I love the smooth transit from one color to another, specially on the horses. :yeah: :thumbup:
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Posted by Susofrick on 31 Mar 2016, 08:02

I thought this was a place for figures. :oops:
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Posted by Kekso on 31 Mar 2016, 12:43

@Mr.Cryns, you're right in most things if not all. I use Vallejo German Camo Green for all of my Nappies. Call it laziness or whatever you want :oops: ... And yes it is too bright. I use wash that is somewhat darker so that green becomes darker too. Maybe it is still too bright under bright light when I take photos... or maybe they are still to bright... I don't know. But I know that Russian green was much darker than I made it. Let's call it again my laziness ;)
Everything we said is applicable to blue color as well.

Regarding too bright bases you're absolutely right. Jan (MABO) noted that few months ago. So my newer bases are darker. I'm not sure should I make them even more darker. I like to avoid black or pastel colors for bases. I would like to keep them green.

I don't know why people don't criticize my work but they are more than welcome to do it. Especially if I used wrong color. Not in the matter too bright/dark but if I used completely wrong color (blue instead of red for example).

All in all I thank you for your comments. I appreciate them all, especially one about black background. :occasion:
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Posted by Cryns on 31 Mar 2016, 12:59

You are very welcome Kekso! :occasion:

MABO wrote:Hey Mr Cryns,
you must have a lot of time to write such long reviews... :mrgreen:


Not for all of you :mrgreen:

As one of my moderators Kekso deserves some special attention. :lol:

My sea of time is temporary though..... :(
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Posted by Paul on 31 Mar 2016, 16:39

Susofrick wrote:I thought this was a place for figures. :oops:

Exactly that. .....in the "first place"
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Posted by Peter on 31 Mar 2016, 16:54

Mr. Cryns wrote:But since Benno's forum is for HISTORIC FIGURES in the first place, I actually do not understand why nobody is criticizing your colors.

Like Gunnar says this is a place for figures, historical or not. Mean reason here is that we have fun in what we do.

Even when we talk about historical uniforms there always can be discussion about the right color. A good example is this topic about some Russian uniforms (see lower). It isn't always that easy to say you must use that color or that color to be historical correct. Even this days the same uniform can be different from color, because they switched from dressmaker and that he used other materials to make the uniform. I have experience with this matter, so I know what I'm speaking about.

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I also like the green painted bases (I call them Britains bases) and I use them often for my own figures to. And it doesn't take my attention away from the figure itself. Presentation is often a matter of taste.

Please let us not become button counters on uniforms!

Just something I wanted to be cleared out. Don't see it as critic! ;-)
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Posted by Paul on 31 Mar 2016, 17:11

Peter wrote:I also like the green painted bases (I call them Britains bases) and I use them often for my own figures to. And it doesn't take my attention away from the figure itself. Presentation is often a matter of taste.


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