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Bring me their heads! - Trajan Column Dacian Wars

Posted by Phersu on 15 Jul 2016, 19:27

These are the last figures I made on request, mostly based (with some variations) on a scnene from the Dacian Wars from the basserlefs of the Trajan Column.
I liked the subject and I wanted these figures for myself too... I can't afford to produce it in series but I decided to make it available casted on request.

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The basrelief which inspired the set and the unpainted figures.
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some different views of the auxiliary soldiers with the enmies heads, and one of the figures slightly modified and a sword added.
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The unpainted figures of General with Legati (High Officers), around a table with a map which I made for another request.
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I didn't post this gallery before, and I didn't post or reply anything else recently (sorry!), because in the last weeks I had problems with internet connection... I tried several times, now the connection is very slow and fortunately at least works, despite it takes ages to see webpages and upload!
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Posted by Cryns on 16 Jul 2016, 10:18

Phersu thanks for showing these excellent figures!

Technical question:
How do you sculpt free hands?
I mean hands that do not touch body, weapon or costume.
Is there any copper wire inside the hands of your master sculpts?
And at what moment do you sculpt the fingers?
When the putty is soft het whole hand will bend the wrong side when sculpting.
When the putty is hard inside, the outside is hard too so too late for sculpting the fingers.
Adding soft fingers to hardened hand will not stick properly.
So what is your magic trick in this?
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Posted by Ben90 on 16 Jul 2016, 16:02

I think this open hand is from the italeri/esci roman legionaries, so not sculpted by himself (correct me if I´m wrong). But I like the results!
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Posted by Phersu on 16 Jul 2016, 21:02

Thank you my friends!

You get it right, Ben!
I sculpted almost everything but at least in a couple of cases I used directly the Italeri right hand almost just like they are... I say "almost" because I used hands casted in resin, and I enhanced the gaps between the fingers and some details engraving or bending the resin.
Some other hands are also from other figures, with the same modifications and some others which I will explain below.
The hand of the officer with pointing finger instead is sculpted in putty, inside the pointing finger there is a thin metal wire as support.
The soldiers hans grabbing the heads hair, and the right hands of the officers, are also completely sculpted...


Of corse there are different ways to sculpt the hands, like almost any other part of a figure, and in my opinion all are relatively easily when you learn the right trick, also because there are so many that is difficult to list all them and descibe accurately all the possible variations.

Of course we can use hands from other existing figures, it's easier than sculpt them, but considered how small are 1/72 hand in some cases not so much easier compared to sculpting, especially if you need a particular hand gesture or position... sometimes to get a good hand is more convenient and quicker even to sculpt it, instead than cut it from another figure.

And just like everything els, we can use existing hands just like they are, or modify them, or resculpting only a part... it depends from the situation to chosse one way or another, or a mix of all.
And of course it depends from the purpose and the effort involved in the work, sometimes is not possible or not worth to spend half hour or more sculpting just one hand, especially when there are a lot of figures to sculpt and we can use existing hands. ;-)

Now let's try to answer to Mr Cyrns...
actually I use a mix of different ways, it would be worth to make a tutorial but I have not enough time at the moment, and with the slow internet connection is a double problem.
Maybe is a good idea open a thread about "hands sculpting and conversions" in the forum, I guess many others can give many more hints.


I think to scuplt the open hands details is better to do in two steps, first molding the hand shape, and making the fingers at the end.
Usually I prepare a flat rough rigid shape (in plastic or metal or putty) so it work as support and prevent bendings when I sculpt the wrist and palm and forefingers, I apply a second layer of putty and with little incisions I create the gaps between fingers (eventually from both sides).
I add a bit of putty for the thumb at the end... sometimes I even do all the fingers in this way, a little cylinder of putty for each finger.

Sometimes instead I make all the fingers structure with copper or metal wire, placed in the right position and then covered with layers of liquid putty or glue... and complete the rest of the hand with putty afterwards.

Another trick to aculpt fingers, is possible also with putty, but is perfect with resin:
sometimes I sculpt just the simple rough shapes of hands with putty, or I use low detailed but well shaped hands from other figures to cast resin copies of them.
Both hardened putty and resin even better, can be easily engraved and refinished, much easily than plastic or metal, so I often carve the fingers shapes direcly in such kind of rough udetailed hands previously simply shaped.
The resin can be also slightly bended with heat, and this is ideal to put a hand in the right position.



Finally an unavoidable consideration concerning the use of something already sculpted from someone else, personally I always change as much as possible to customize and make it different.
Just like I would aspect from others who use my figures, a simple swap of hands or heads doesn't make a new figure but a conversion, but when the hands or heads are also modifed the conversion work become so radical that can be as valuable as the real sculpting.
When we follow this simple rule the pieces used become completely or almost unrecognizable in the new figure.

I don't mean to undervalue the figures completely sculpted from zero, which are something that no many can do properly... in fact my attempts in this way are far from be perfect. :oops:
But I don''t want to consider useless or not worth the figures partly resculpted neither, and neither those figures converted enough to create new useful subjects which are useful... and completely different from their sources anyway...
Both radical conversions and resculpting can involve a lot of valuable work and uncommon skills, despite of course are not the top as the figures sculpted completely from zero.
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Posted by Cryns on 16 Jul 2016, 22:10

Dear Pershu,

Thank you so much for this vast explanation. This makes a lot of sense to me.
I will come back to this 'hand making topic' next month after holiday.
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Posted by sberry on 17 Jul 2016, 10:51

I really like those figures, as I said elsewhere. But I also like the table with the map on it - looks like a miniature version of the Peutinger Map or something similar. Great!
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Posted by Phersu on 17 Jul 2016, 13:50

sberry wrote:I really like those figures, as I said elsewhere. But I also like the table with the map on it - looks like a miniature version of the Peutinger Map or something similar. Great!


Thank you, Stephan!
You recognize it right, it is the Peutinger Map indeed! :yeah:
It's not easy to recognize the map represented in such tiny size, but such famous map don't go unnoticed to who knows it. ;-)

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I made sveral of these mini-maps, all these in the images represent real ancient maps.
I used to be a cartographer so it was very fun to make some miniatures of the same things I used to do for job. ;-)

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Posted by Phersu on 17 Jul 2016, 14:05

Mr. Cryns wrote:Dear Pershu,

Thank you so much for this vast explanation. This makes a lot of sense to me.
I will come back to this 'hand making topic' next month after holiday.


You welcome, it is a pleasure and a very interesting matter to talk about, because involves many ways to do the same things, some are totally different from the others, sometimes even opposite like the molding-sculpting and the subtracting-carving... and despite everyone is more keen in something more than for the rest, using a mix of various techniques often allow better results and many improvements!
I think it's something definitely worth to be studied in deep! :yeah:
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Posted by Peter on 27 Jul 2016, 10:20

Excellent work again Leo! :thumbup:
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