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Bismarck . Ems Dispatch.

Posted by Jaques on 28 Apr 2020, 18:44

Hi, friends.
I tried to create a small scenario for the Bismarck figure at the Ems Dispatch event. I hope you like it.
A question for Germans friends:
In the teaching of German history, was the modification of the telegram decisive for the War of 1870 ?

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Posted by Wiking on 28 Apr 2020, 20:36

Good idea. Few nice things in the room.
Clever done the wall :thumbup: . I like simple ideas like that.

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Posted by Kostis Ornerakis on 28 Apr 2020, 20:57

Wonderful work! :yeah: :-D
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Posted by C M Dodson on 28 Apr 2020, 22:04

Very nice indeed.

You have caught the presence of the man.

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Posted by Egbert on 29 Apr 2020, 07:33

Very beautiful reproduction of this important figure in german history.
Jaques wrote:Hi, friends.
...A question for Germans friends:
In the teaching of German history, was the modification of the telegram decisive for the War of 1870 ?
Regards.


As far as I can remember history lessons, the telegram was the reason that led to the war between France and Germany. Bismarck has used this very skilfully for the diplomacy and politics he pursued.
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Posted by Emperor on 29 Apr 2020, 08:34

Very nice scene...I like it how it was set, Bismarck ih his Head Quarters leading operations...Especially it helps me with some of my ideas...
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Posted by ImperialChief on 29 Apr 2020, 09:14

Nice work,

only one little point of critic.
The eagle on the wall is the wrong type for this period.
It must be this type:
https://www.ebay.de/i/264215701062?chn= ... HfEALw_wcB
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Andy
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Posted by Graeme on 30 Apr 2020, 04:51

Lovely little scene!

Great figure, great painting and lots of nice details. The bookend is an excellent idea that works really well.

I really like the way Bismarck is being appraised by his famous predecessor; is the bust of Frederick one of Your sculpts too?
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Posted by MABO on 01 May 2020, 08:52

Jaques wrote: A question for Germans friends:
In the teaching of German history, was the modification of the telegram decisive for the War of 1870 ?
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The "Emser Depesche" in the true sense of the word is an internal government telegram dated July 13, 1870, in which the diplomat Heinrich Abeken informed the North German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck in Berlin about the events in Bad Ems. The Chancellor then informed the press about the events. This press release is sometimes confused with the actual dispatch, because Bismarck largely reused the wording of the dispatch. The press release led to outrage in France and is considered to have triggered the Franco-Prussian War.

In 1867 the North German Confederation was founded, a federal state under Prussian leadership. France under its Emperor Napoleon III saw the new state as a competitor for supremacy in Europe. This situation led to several diplomatic crises, such as the question of succession to the throne in Spain.

Napoleon III and his government vehemently rejected Leopold, a prince from the House of Hohenzollern. Head of this dynasty was the Prussian king. Because of the sharp reaction from France, Leopold renounced his candidacy. This was not enough for the French government: Their ambassador Vincent Benedetti travelled to the spa town of Bad Ems and spoke several times with King William I. The King was to rule out a new candidacy of Hohenzollern for all future. Wilhelm politely refused such a promise.

Abeken, Bismarck's assistant to the King in Bad Ems, informed the Chancellor in distant Berlin of this. His Emser Dispatch also included Wilhelm's wish to inform the press of his contact with the French ambassador. In his press release, Bismarck described the contact as particularly brusque. The French public reacted to the publication of the dispatch with the indignation calculated by Bismarck. However, Benedetti and his depiction were met with hostility. In any case, Bismarck's account could give the impression that Prussia considered France's demand, which had to appear fair to the French public, to be impertinent and brusquely rejected it.

Nevertheless, caution is certainly advised against identifying in Bismarck's depiction, and especially in its form, the only trigger for war, for example to the effect that France "according to the ideas of honour at that time" could not have responded otherwise than by declaring war, in order not to lose face or the like. Even without Bismarck's publication, the question would have been how the French government should have reacted to the rejection of its demand for a future potential Spanish candidate for the throne.

The threat of war was still in the air and was also meant seriously, not least because the French drastically misjudged their chances of success in the event of war. However, since the French public was not yet aware of the new demand, there would have been the possibility of accepting this failure in silence. This way was blocked by Bismarck's press release and also the possibility to somehow embellish the presentation.

On 16 July, the French legislature approved funding for a war with only six votes against. On July 19, 1870, the French Foreign Minister informed the Prussian ambassador in Paris that France considered itself to be in a state of war.
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Posted by Jaques on 01 May 2020, 15:10

Hi , friends.

Thank you very much to the comments, compliments and responses from friends to my question. In particular, to Mabo, for the excellent class on this subject. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Answering the question about how the bust was built.
Pedestal is from the Greek Atlantic set and the bust is a cut out figure from the Great Northern War Zvezda.

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Posted by Bluefalchion on 01 May 2020, 21:32

I love this vignette! So much attention to detail.

As for the Eagle on the wall, it looks Third Reich to me. Probably easy to swap out if you choose?

And thanks for the history lesson MABO.
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Posted by MABO on 02 May 2020, 00:32

Bluefalchion wrote:As for the Eagle on the wall, it looks Third Reich to me. Probably easy to swap out if you choose?


It is from this set, I suppose:

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Posted by Jaques on 02 May 2020, 01:03

Yes, Mabo!
It is the eagle of this set. It was the only one I found in my scrap box. As I don't understand about the different models of German eagles and used in which periods, I used this one. I'll try to make the correction, perhaps replacing the eagle with frames and in the future I'll post the result. :thumbup:
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Posted by Hellboy on 02 May 2020, 14:05

... amazing! :shock: A really great and unusual scene !!!!!! :yeah: Love it ... :-D
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Posted by Bluefalchion on 02 May 2020, 14:57

Impressive use of spare parts from a variety of sources.
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Posted by Michael Robert on 05 May 2020, 12:11

Hi Jacques,

really nice this vignette of Bismarck.
As already discussed the eagle is really a 3rd Reich eagle. Bismarck was not a "peaceful" and "nice" guy, but he is basically known as the forger of the 2nd Reich. So he deserves a Prussian eagle (which is also more beautiful in my opinion).
Concerning your question of History teaching in Germany about "Emser Depesche" I would like to say that this period is actually much less regarded in Germany than in France. I can tell because I am German born but now a French - really sitting in the middle of both cultures.
The only notion and without detail would be "Bismarck provoked the French government and the Emperor knowing that the Prussians were well prepared for war. Bismarck's major intention was the 2nd Reich - reunification of Germany under Prussian domination. The French-Prussian war was the way to obtain this."

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